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Canon today has unveiled the EOS 30D, a refined version of the EOS 20D that shares the same image sensor and numerous other core camera components but adds a 2.5-inch (diagonal) rear LCD, increased burst depth, Picture Styles, a shutter with a higher duty cycle rating and a long list of other camera usability changes.
If you're familiar with how Canon evolved the EOS-1D Mark II into the EOS-1D Mark II N, then you have a pretty good idea of the type and magnitude of tweaks the company made in updating the 20D to 30D status. The 20D has been our favourite second-body camera since its introduction in the fall of 2004, and the 30D appears to be making a good thing better.
Let's start with what's not new: the features in the 20D and 30D that are the same or similar include the 8.19 million image pixel CMOS sensor, 9-point AF system (controlled by a revised autofocus algorithm), 35-zone ambient/flash metering, 5 fps maximum shooting rate (the shutter itself is a reworked version of the one in the 20D), E-TTL II flash exposure control, built-in popup flash, 1/8000 top shutter speed, standard top flash sync of 1/250 and compatibility with 20D accessories such as Battery Grip BG-E2 (it's also compatible with Wireless File Transmitter WFT-E1/E1A and Data Verification Kit DVK-E2). The 30D's body is a close cousin to the 20D too, though changes have been made to accommodate the larger rear LCD, add a dedicated direct print/image transfer button and improve the function of the multicontroller.
Where the two diverge is mostly in the details. Changes in the 30D include:
A new 2.5-inch, 230,000 pixel rear LCD monitor with wide viewing angle
Canon's more flexible Picture Style menu, which replaces the Parameters menu of the 20D
Sharpening of in-camera JPEGs can be turned off, which is a first for a Canon entry-level or midrange digital SLR
ISO 100-1600 is now selectable in 1/3 stop increments
ISO can be set without taking one's eye away from the viewfinder
Increased burst depth: 11 frames for RAW CR2 shooting, 30 for Large Fine JPEG and 9 for RAW+JPEG
A more-durable shutter that's rated for 100,000 cycles
A slightly-shortened mirror blackout time of 110ms; Canon's specification for shutter lag remains the same as the 20D at 65ms
Viewfinder information now includes a dedicated Flash Exposure Lock (FEL) indicator
Switchable High-Speed Continuous (5 fps) and Low-Speed Continuous (3 fps) frame rate settings are now included
An Auto setting in the Long Exposure Noise Reduction Custom Function
The ability, like several more-pricey Canon digital SLRs, to simultaneously apply long exposure noise processing to one picture while capturing another
The addition of a 3.5% spot metering mode
0.15 second camera startup time
A more-precise 4-increment battery charge indicator
Reduced energy compensation, for a promised improvement of 10% more frames per charge
No more new folders created every 100 photos; in the 30D, a folder can hold 9999 photos
A new automatic rotation option that enables verticals to not be rotated on the rear display but appear rotated in compatible browser software on the computer
The ability to zoom in on a photo in Quick Review mode
During playback, the image+shooting data screen will display either an RGB or Brightness histogram, file size and will optionally display AF markings
Improved Jump function
Refined multicontroller operation
More-detailed error code information, which now appears on the rear LCD monitor (in addition to the top LCD panel); the camera settings information screen will also display Images Failed to Transfer when the WFT-E1/E1A is in use and a transmit error occurs
More ways to wake the camera up from an Auto Power Off snooze
Direct image transfer from the camera to a computer using the PTP protocol
A revamped software package that includes Digital Photo Professional (DPP) 2.1, EOS Utility 1.0 (a new image transfer, camera settings and camera control application), Image Browser 5.6 (Mac) and ZoomBrowser EX 5.6 (Windows); DPP adds user-settable noise reduction and support for RAW files from the Canon EOS D2000 and D6000
New and potentially useful direct printing capabilities (plus a dedicated direct print/image transfer button)
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This section explores in greater detail some of what's new in the 30D, relative to the 20D it replaces.
The EOS 30D: a refined EOS 20D
As we noted on the previous page, the 30D is best described as a refined 20D; shooting with the camera should remain largely unchanged, with the exception of the welcome increase in burst depth and more minor tweaks such as the addition of a 3 fps Low-Speed Continuous shooting mode and the ability to change the ISO while looking through the viewfinder. And most characteristics of the photos captured by the 30D should also match the 20D, since the 8.19 million image pixel CMOS sensor, multi-layer low-pass optical filter and DIGIC II processing circuitry are unchanged (though the 30D offers new image-related settings that will change the way in-camera JPEGs can look). The majority of the differences between the 20D and 30D appear when configuring the camera or reviewing photos on its rear LCD monitor. Here's a rundown of key changes:
Revamped image review A 2.5-inch (diagonal), 230,000-pixel TFT rear LCD monitor, which is the same component found in the EOS 5D and EOS-1D Mark II N, is the most obvious outward difference in the 30D. Our experience with the 20D's 1.8-inch (diagonal), 118,000-pixel rear LCD monitor is that it's well-tuned for assessment of image brightness and its contrast holds up well even in moderately-bright ambient light. But it has an extremely narrow viewing angle.
The larger display in Canon's newest digital SLRs, by comparison, have an extremely wide viewing angle and are reasonably well-tuned for brightness assessment, but tend to go too flat and too dark too soon as the ambient light increases. On balance, we prefer Canon's 2.5-inch rear LCD, because of the size and viewing angle, but it's not an improvement in every way over what Canon has done before.
Canon has implemented other changes that impact the review of photos, including:
With Quick Review enabled so that the rear LCD automatically displays a photo after it's taken, it's now possible to magnify and scroll about the photo (Custom Function C.Fn-17-1 must be set).
The shooting information screen now includes the file size, a user-selectable RGB or Brightness histogram and, optionally, the AF point(s) active when the photo was taken.
A new image auto-rotation option will be welcomed by those who frequently shoot verticals. As before, it's possible to set the camera to automatically rotate verticals upright both on the rear LCD monitor and in browser software later. Or to disable automatic rotation, so that verticals are flopped on their side both in the camera and on the computer. The 30D adds a third option: auto-rotate verticals when viewed on the computer, but not in the camera. This is the only Canon digital SLR to offer this capability currently.
The Jump feature during image playback can now leap back and forth 10 pictures at a time, 100 pictures at a time or by the date shot.
The image review changes from the 20D to 30D mean that the newer model closely mirrors the EOS 5D's playback features.
New Picture Style menu Gone is the Parameters menu in favour of a new menu called Picture Style, which made its debut last fall in the EOS 5D and EOS-1D Mark II N. Picture Style brings the controls for Contrast, Color Saturation, Color Tone and Sharpness into one place, much like Parameters in the 20D, though with more flexibility and control. Each one of these options can be adjusted in 8 or 9 increments (up from 5 in the 20D) with both finer control (owing to the greater number of increments) and a wider range of adjustment. The first three options have a 9-increment scale made up of a middle [0] position and a +/-4 range of adjustment. The last, Sharpness, is an 8-increment scale, where [0] is on the far left and, when chosen, disables sharpening. There are 7 increments to the right of [0], each representing a higher level of sharpening.
Like the existing EOS models with Picture Style menus, the 30D has six Picture Style presets: Standard, Portrait, Landscape, Neutral, Faithful and Monochrome. Each of the first five represents a different colour look (roughly analogous to a film type), and each can have its canned combination of Sharpness, Contrast, Color Saturation and Color Tone overridden. Monochome is, obviously, a black and white setting.
The Picture Style menu presets are (descriptions in brackets are from Canon-supplied information, our own characterization of each preset is just ahead):
Standard (Sharpness set to [3], Color Tone and Color Saturation adjusted for vivid overall colour; this preset is equivalent to the Parameter 1 option in the 20D)
Portrait (Sharpness set to [2], Color Tone and Color Saturation adjusted for natural skin tones)
Landscape (Sharpness set to [4], Color Tone and Color Saturation adjusted for vivid blues and greens)
Neutral (Sharpness set to [0], other settings equivalent to Standard/Color Matrix 1)
Faithful (Sharpness set to [0], colour rendering equivalent to Digital Photo Professional's Faithful option and is meant to produce colorimetrically accurate colour under 5200K lighting)
Monochrome (for this preset only, the four controls are Sharpness, Contrast, Filter Effect and Toning Effect; this preset is similar to the monochrome Parameter Set in the 20D)
Our experience with the colour Picture Styles to date is that Neutral is a really fine general purpose setting, Standard produces pleasantly beefier saturation and contrast (but beware of reds blocking up) and Landscape can work wonders on scenics that are lacking in colour variation. By comparison, Portrait's tendency to shift skin tones to a strong reddish pink (we're not sure which flavour of humanoid Canon had in mind when they developed this Picture Style), and the overall not-quite-right colour appearance of Faithful means we've yet to select either of them for real work. Still, three out of five viable colour Picture Style options ain't bad, so it's good to see Canon's latest approach to colour configuration make it into the 30D.
There are also three user-defined settings, which can be derived from one of the included presets, or new Picture Style files can be loaded into these settings in the camera (Canon has three such files - Nostalgia, Clear and Twilight - available for download. It's not possible for the end user to create Picture Styles for the 30D or any other Canon digital SLR.
But the photographer that will gain the most from the move to Picture Styles in the transition from the 20D to the 30D is the JPEG shooter. That's because a by-product of the move to Picture Styles is the long-overdue option of disabling in-camera sharpening. A 20D RAW CR2 processed through Canon's DPP software can be impressively detailed; shoot the same pic on JPEG and the combination of mild softening that occurs during in-camera processing and a so-so sharpening algorithm add up to a JPEG that doesn't contain nearly the level of detail captured by the camera.
We fully expect that an unsharpened JPEG emerging from a 30D, when properly sharpened in Photoshop, will be noticeably more detailed than a 20D JPEG (though the CR2+DPP route will almost certainly still lead to the most detailed file possible from an all-Canon workflow). Canon's midrange and entry-level digital SLRs, right back to the similarly-named D30, have always forced some amount of ho-hum quality JPEG sharpening; it's great to see that, with the 30D, Canon has dispensed with this detail-harming restriction.
Burst depth has more depth The 20D's JPEG burst depth hasn't tripped us up. While officially it's 23 frames for Large Fine, in practice it's anywhere from about 20 frames to well over 40, which for a 5 fps camera means a fair bit of shooting time. Switch to RAW or RAW+JPEG, however, and that camera's 6 frame hard limit has meant missed pictures when we've attempted to shoot action on either of these settings. In fact we learned early on with the 20D to just not dial in CR2 when we anticipate any sort of burst shooting. The 30D doesn't contain additional buffer memory, but through some clever reworking of how image data is juggled from the sensor through to the CompactFlash card, the burst depth has been increased to 30 Large Fine JPEG, 11 RAW and 9 RAW+JPEG. As with the 20D, the JPEG burst depth is an approximation, whereas the RAW and RAW+JPEG numbers are hard limits (or at least they represent how a preproduction 30D body behaved in our testing when set to 5 fps).
The jump from 6 to 11 CR2 files in succession should make capturing RAW nearly viable for what we shoot, so this is a most welcome change. But we would have liked to see Canon load up the camera with more RAM still, thereby ensuring a large enough RAW buffer that we wouldn't have to worry about burst depth at all.
Canon EOS 30D - rear view (Photo courtesy Canon)
ISO can be set in the viewfinder The first time we shot a concert in available light with a digital camera we appreciated how necessary it is to be able to change ISO quickly as light levels shift from bright to non-existent. The 20D requires that you pull your eye away from the viewfinder to change the ISO; in the 30D, when holding down the ISO button, the ISO displays in the information beneath the viewfinder and updates as the Quick Control Dial is turned. This will make the changing of ISO on the fly a much-quicker operation.
ISO is incremented in 1/3 stops From ISO 100-1600, intervals are now in 1/3 stops. ISO 3200 is also selectable (when C.Fn-8-1 is set), but it's a full stop jump from ISO 1600, there are no increments in-between. Of all the Canon and Nikon digital SLRs we've ever used, the 20D produces the cleanest, most printable RAW and JPEG files at the upper ISO settings. Being able to choose settings such as ISO 1000 or 1250 when shooting at certain indoor venues only sweetens the deal, though ISO 2000 and 2500 would have been equally useful.
Automatic long exposure noise reduction With the new Auto option selected in C.Fn-4, the 30D will analyse the level of noise in exposures between 1 and 30 seconds and apply long exposure noise reduction only if it deems it would be beneficial to the picture. And unlike the 20D, the 30D doesn't force the photographer to wait an amount of time equal to the exposure time while it applies long exposure noise reduction. This is a great feature of 1-series Canon's, the 5D and now the 30D when shooting time exposures of events that unfold continuously, such as fireworks.
9999 photos per folder Another longstanding quirk of Canon's entry-level and midrange digital SLRs falls by the wayside in the 30D. Now, instead of the camera automatically creating a new folder every 100 frames, each folder can contain up to 9999 frames, the same as 1-series digital SLR models and the 5D. Choosing the manual reset option in the 30D creates a new folder, with file numbering starting at 0001 in that folder. User-customizable file names, an option in the EOS-1D Mark II N, as well as the manual folder selection function of several other Canon models, didn't make their way into the 30D.
More frames per charge Improved power management has increased the official frames-per-charge specification by 10% compared to the 20D, despite the fact the 30D's larger rear LCD is more power-hungry. The battery indicator is now the same as the 5D, and is stepped in four increments from fully-charged to depleted.
Spot metering The 20D has three ambient metering modes: Evaluative, Center-Weighted and 9% Partial. The 30D incorporates these three and adds one more: 3.5% Spot. The metering circle marking in the viewfinder has been shrunk, relative to the 20D, to properly represent the measurement area of the 30D's spot meter.
Refined multicontroller The 9-way multicontroller Canon introduced to its digital SLR lineup with the 20D is an interesting approach to the modern problem of providing a fast, easy way to manually change the active AF point when the autofocus system has more than about 5 points. We mostly like the multicontroller on the 20D, because its size and feel does make changing to an AF point that's up, down, left or right of centre a quick operation, even when wearing light gloves. But selecting an AF point on the diagonal is too hard, and it's also sometimes difficult to press the centre of the multicontroller to return the selected AF point to the middle. The 30D's multicontroller has been slightly reshaped, and the firmware that controls it has been altered, to address these operational concerns.
Canon EOS 30D - top view (Photo courtesy Canon)
And more... Other 30D refinements include:
A drop in the camera startup time from a hardly noticeable 0.2 seconds to a nearly imperceptible 0.15 seconds.
User-selectable 5 fps (High-Speed Continuous) and 3 fps (Low-Speed Continuous) shooting modes. When set to High-Speed Continuous, an H appears next to the continuous shooting icon on the top LCD display. The 20D, by comparison, has a single shooting mode that operates at up to 5 fps.
Though the 9-point autofocus system and all aspects of its configuration and operation are the same as that of the 20D, the algorithm controlling autofocus in the 30D has been refined (though Canon has not revealed what has been addressed). The 20D's autofocus system is the most capable we've ever encountered in a midrange digital SLR; if you want better, you have to spend a lot more. We hope that Canon's tinkering with autofocus in the 30D only makes it a better performer than the already-capable 20D. Strangely, while many of the refinements in the 30D first appeared in the 5D last fall, the 30D did not get the 5D's 6 additional Assist AF points clustered around the centre.
Viewfinder information now includes a dedicated Flash Exposure Lock (FEL) indicator. The frames remaining counter is still a single digit, which means it will read "9" almost perpetually when shooting JPEGs, just like the 20D.
Camera error codes are now displayed on both the top LCD display and on the rear LCD monitor, with more information on what each error code means as well.
PictBridge direct printing options have been expanded to include contact sheet printing, complete with file names, a 35mm film strip graphic along each of the 5 rows of 7 thumbnails and a 24mm x 36mm size for those thumbnails. The goal being to approximate the look of a traditional 35mm film contact sheet. There are two other new layouts - one with 20 thumbnails and up to 11 fields of EXIF data per thumbnail, and another that is comprised of a single image and EXIF data. There is also a Face Brightener option, plus new 4 x 8 inch, 8 x 10 inch and 10 x 12 inch print sizes. All of these new features come to life only when the camera is connected to a newer Canon PIXMA-series printer. The new Print/Share button on the back of the camera can also be used to initiate picture transfers over USB 2.0 to a computer.
DPP 2.1 headlines 30D software bundle
New versions of Canon software will be bundled with the camera. The software etched onto EOS Solution Disk 12 will include:
DPP 2.1 (Windows and Mac). In addition to being able to convert CR2 files from the 30D, v2.1 of Canon's flagship RAW conversion software adds user-configurable noise reduction in the Edit Image window, enhanced single image and contact sheet printing and a Tone Curve Assist function that automatically adjusts the tone on poorly-exposed photos. Also, in what will be a pleasant surprise for veteran Canon digital shooters, DPP 2.1 will be able to process RAW files from the EOS D2000 and EOS D6000 (after these cameras' RAW .TIFs have been converted to CR2s with an included utility). The D2000 and Japanese market-only D6000, which were introduced in 1998, are the last digital SLRs Canon co-developed with Kodak before going their own way with the D30 two years later. DPP 2.1 isn't expected to be able to process files from the twins of the D2000 and D6000, the Kodak DCS 520 and DCS 560, or the Nikon-bodied equivalents, the DCS 620 and DCS 660. It's also not known whether this version of DPP will be a Universal Binary on the Mac, though the timing of its release makes it unlikely.
EOS Utility 1.0 (Windows and Mac). No, not EOS Viewer Utility, but EOS Utility, a new application emerging into the EOS digital SLR line with the 30D. EOS Utility integrates the functions of EOS Capture and CameraWindow, plus adds a few twists of its own. A Canon technical document describes the new software this way: "It is the gateway that allows users to download images to a computer, adjust camera settings, shoot photos remotely, monitor folders when the WFT-E1A wireless transmitter is used and even see images as they are shot. It supports automatic image transfer using the Print/Share button on the EOS 30D, as well as selectable linked display in Digital Photo Professional and ZoomBrowser/ImageBrowser."
ZoomBrowser EX 5.6 (Windows)/ImageBrowser 5.6 (Mac). The main or only change is support for the 30D, including the processing of its RAW files through companion software RAW Image Task 2.3.
Easy-PhotoPrint Pro (Windows and Mac). This software for driving Canon printers enables printing of RAW files without first converting them and also can transfer data directly to a supported printer at more than the 8-bits-per-colour limit of today's Mac and Windows operating systems.
PhotoStitch 3.1 (Windows and Mac)
PTP WIA Driver/PTP TWAIN Driver (Windows)
Updaters for earlier versions of these applications will be posted for current Canon digital SLR owners on Canon's download sites, though a date for that has not been set.
What's Missing?
We like the 20D. A lot. Not because it's the ultimate digital SLR but because its strengths have been well-matched to our shooting needs. So, a 30D that builds on the capabilities of its predecessor does generate a measure of excitement around the Little Guy Media offices here. But we think that Canon could have thrown in a bit more in its replacement for the 1.5-year-old 20D, features that would add real benefit without seriously inflating the price. A greater increase in RAW and RAW+JPEG burst depth, a larger viewfinder image and quicker access to mirror lockup would have been welcome, as would enhancements to the use of Canon Speedlites. Speedlite-related changes we would have liked to see include the ability to set E-TTL II flash metering to Evaluative always (this is a critical advancement required by those who choose to always use AI Servo combined with rear-button focus). Plus, the functions of the ST-E2 wireless flash transmitter built into the camera itself would be fantastic.
The ability to configure and fire multiple Speedlights is one of the niftiest capabilities of the Nikon D200. And in fact, given the likelihood that prospective purchasers of a midrange digital SLR, at least those not locked into a system already, will be directly comparing Nikon's latest digital SLR to the 30D, we wonder if Canon has done enough in refreshing the 20D to counter the siren call of the D200.
Don't take this as a recommendation of the D200 over the 30D. For one, we've only used a preproduction 30D, and then only briefly. More importantly, we've shot the D200 and 20D side-by-side for available light basketball over several weekends this winter, and the 20D is by far the better camera for this purpose. Not only were the ISO 800 through ISO 3200 frames massively cleaner and more usable, the percentage of in-focus frames was signficantly higher. In fact, we've ruled out using the D200 for this sort of assigment again. So, we don't think Nikon has in the D200 a camera that's a clear winner over the upcoming 30D by any means.
But, the D200's higher pixel count, greater burst depth, way-cool wireless flash system support, large viewfinder image, more expansive configuration options, reasonably smooth shutter and really quite nice feel in the hand may make it a more compelling offering to those comparing the two at their local camera store, despite the fact the Nikon will be a few hundred dollars more. For much of what we shoot, the 20D is a better choice than the D200, so it's likely the 30D will be as well. But for many shooters, those who can stick to lower ISO settings and don't shoot much action, the D200 may seem like the more appealing option.
The 30D is almost certainly going to be a fine camera in its own right, but it doesn't leapfrog the specifications of the competition in the way we've become accustomed from the supercharged Canon of recent times. It will be interesting to see how it fares against Nikon's hot-selling D200 as a result.
Availability
The 30D is slated to ship in mid-March 2006 in the U.S. at an expected street price of US$1399. The 20D will continue to be sold for some time after the introduction of the 30D, in the U.S. and perhaps other markets also.
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Canon today has unveiled the EOS 30D, a refined version of the EOS 20D that shares the same image sensor and numerous other core camera components but adds a 2.5-inch (diagonal) rear LCD, increased burst depth, Picture Styles, a shutter with a higher duty cycle rating and a long list of other camera usability changes.
If you're familiar with how Canon evolved the EOS-1D Mark II into the EOS-1D Mark II N, then you have a pretty good idea of the type and magnitude of tweaks the company made in updating the 20D to 30D status. The 20D has been our favourite second-body camera since its introduction in the fall of 2004, and the 30D appears to be making a good thing better.
Let's start with what's not new: the features in the 20D and 30D that are the same or similar include the 8.19 million image pixel CMOS sensor, 9-point AF system (controlled by a revised autofocus algorithm), 35-zone ambient/flash metering, 5 fps maximum shooting rate (the shutter itself is a reworked version of the one in the 20D), E-TTL II flash exposure control, built-in popup flash, 1/8000 top shutter speed, standard top flash sync of 1/250 and compatibility with 20D accessories such as Battery Grip BG-E2 (it's also compatible with Wireless File Transmitter WFT-E1/E1A and Data Verification Kit DVK-E2). The 30D's body is a close cousin to the 20D too, though changes have been made to accommodate the larger rear LCD, add a dedicated direct print/image transfer button and improve the function of the multicontroller.
Where the two diverge is mostly in the details. Changes in the 30D include:
A new 2.5-inch, 230,000 pixel rear LCD monitor with wide viewing angle
Canon's more flexible Picture Style menu, which replaces the Parameters menu of the 20D
Sharpening of in-camera JPEGs can be turned off, which is a first for a Canon entry-level or midrange digital SLR
ISO 100-1600 is now selectable in 1/3 stop increments
ISO can be set without taking one's eye away from the viewfinder
Increased burst depth: 11 frames for RAW CR2 shooting, 30 for Large Fine JPEG and 9 for RAW+JPEG
A more-durable shutter that's rated for 100,000 cycles
A slightly-shortened mirror blackout time of 110ms; Canon's specification for shutter lag remains the same as the 20D at 65ms
Viewfinder information now includes a dedicated Flash Exposure Lock (FEL) indicator
Switchable High-Speed Continuous (5 fps) and Low-Speed Continuous (3 fps) frame rate settings are now included
An Auto setting in the Long Exposure Noise Reduction Custom Function
The ability, like several more-pricey Canon digital SLRs, to simultaneously apply long exposure noise processing to one picture while capturing another
The addition of a 3.5% spot metering mode
0.15 second camera startup time
A more-precise 4-increment battery charge indicator
Reduced energy compensation, for a promised improvement of 10% more frames per charge
No more new folders created every 100 photos; in the 30D, a folder can hold 9999 photos
A new automatic rotation option that enables verticals to not be rotated on the rear display but appear rotated in compatible browser software on the computer
The ability to zoom in on a photo in Quick Review mode
During playback, the image+shooting data screen will display either an RGB or Brightness histogram, file size and will optionally display AF markings
Improved Jump function
Refined multicontroller operation
More-detailed error code information, which now appears on the rear LCD monitor (in addition to the top LCD panel); the camera settings information screen will also display Images Failed to Transfer when the WFT-E1/E1A is in use and a transmit error occurs
More ways to wake the camera up from an Auto Power Off snooze
Direct image transfer from the camera to a computer using the PTP protocol
A revamped software package that includes Digital Photo Professional (DPP) 2.1, EOS Utility 1.0 (a new image transfer, camera settings and camera control application), Image Browser 5.6 (Mac) and ZoomBrowser EX 5.6 (Windows); DPP adds user-settable noise reduction and support for RAW files from the Canon EOS D2000 and D6000
New and potentially useful direct printing capabilities (plus a dedicated direct print/image transfer button)
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This section explores in greater detail some of what's new in the 30D, relative to the 20D it replaces.
The EOS 30D: a refined EOS 20D
As we noted on the previous page, the 30D is best described as a refined 20D; shooting with the camera should remain largely unchanged, with the exception of the welcome increase in burst depth and more minor tweaks such as the addition of a 3 fps Low-Speed Continuous shooting mode and the ability to change the ISO while looking through the viewfinder. And most characteristics of the photos captured by the 30D should also match the 20D, since the 8.19 million image pixel CMOS sensor, multi-layer low-pass optical filter and DIGIC II processing circuitry are unchanged (though the 30D offers new image-related settings that will change the way in-camera JPEGs can look). The majority of the differences between the 20D and 30D appear when configuring the camera or reviewing photos on its rear LCD monitor. Here's a rundown of key changes:
Revamped image review A 2.5-inch (diagonal), 230,000-pixel TFT rear LCD monitor, which is the same component found in the EOS 5D and EOS-1D Mark II N, is the most obvious outward difference in the 30D. Our experience with the 20D's 1.8-inch (diagonal), 118,000-pixel rear LCD monitor is that it's well-tuned for assessment of image brightness and its contrast holds up well even in moderately-bright ambient light. But it has an extremely narrow viewing angle.
The larger display in Canon's newest digital SLRs, by comparison, have an extremely wide viewing angle and are reasonably well-tuned for brightness assessment, but tend to go too flat and too dark too soon as the ambient light increases. On balance, we prefer Canon's 2.5-inch rear LCD, because of the size and viewing angle, but it's not an improvement in every way over what Canon has done before.
Canon has implemented other changes that impact the review of photos, including:
With Quick Review enabled so that the rear LCD automatically displays a photo after it's taken, it's now possible to magnify and scroll about the photo (Custom Function C.Fn-17-1 must be set).
The shooting information screen now includes the file size, a user-selectable RGB or Brightness histogram and, optionally, the AF point(s) active when the photo was taken.
A new image auto-rotation option will be welcomed by those who frequently shoot verticals. As before, it's possible to set the camera to automatically rotate verticals upright both on the rear LCD monitor and in browser software later. Or to disable automatic rotation, so that verticals are flopped on their side both in the camera and on the computer. The 30D adds a third option: auto-rotate verticals when viewed on the computer, but not in the camera. This is the only Canon digital SLR to offer this capability currently.
The Jump feature during image playback can now leap back and forth 10 pictures at a time, 100 pictures at a time or by the date shot.
The image review changes from the 20D to 30D mean that the newer model closely mirrors the EOS 5D's playback features.
New Picture Style menu Gone is the Parameters menu in favour of a new menu called Picture Style, which made its debut last fall in the EOS 5D and EOS-1D Mark II N. Picture Style brings the controls for Contrast, Color Saturation, Color Tone and Sharpness into one place, much like Parameters in the 20D, though with more flexibility and control. Each one of these options can be adjusted in 8 or 9 increments (up from 5 in the 20D) with both finer control (owing to the greater number of increments) and a wider range of adjustment. The first three options have a 9-increment scale made up of a middle [0] position and a +/-4 range of adjustment. The last, Sharpness, is an 8-increment scale, where [0] is on the far left and, when chosen, disables sharpening. There are 7 increments to the right of [0], each representing a higher level of sharpening.
Like the existing EOS models with Picture Style menus, the 30D has six Picture Style presets: Standard, Portrait, Landscape, Neutral, Faithful and Monochrome. Each of the first five represents a different colour look (roughly analogous to a film type), and each can have its canned combination of Sharpness, Contrast, Color Saturation and Color Tone overridden. Monochome is, obviously, a black and white setting.
The Picture Style menu presets are (descriptions in brackets are from Canon-supplied information, our own characterization of each preset is just ahead):
Standard (Sharpness set to [3], Color Tone and Color Saturation adjusted for vivid overall colour; this preset is equivalent to the Parameter 1 option in the 20D)
Portrait (Sharpness set to [2], Color Tone and Color Saturation adjusted for natural skin tones)
Landscape (Sharpness set to [4], Color Tone and Color Saturation adjusted for vivid blues and greens)
Neutral (Sharpness set to [0], other settings equivalent to Standard/Color Matrix 1)
Faithful (Sharpness set to [0], colour rendering equivalent to Digital Photo Professional's Faithful option and is meant to produce colorimetrically accurate colour under 5200K lighting)
Monochrome (for this preset only, the four controls are Sharpness, Contrast, Filter Effect and Toning Effect; this preset is similar to the monochrome Parameter Set in the 20D)
Our experience with the colour Picture Styles to date is that Neutral is a really fine general purpose setting, Standard produces pleasantly beefier saturation and contrast (but beware of reds blocking up) and Landscape can work wonders on scenics that are lacking in colour variation. By comparison, Portrait's tendency to shift skin tones to a strong reddish pink (we're not sure which flavour of humanoid Canon had in mind when they developed this Picture Style), and the overall not-quite-right colour appearance of Faithful means we've yet to select either of them for real work. Still, three out of five viable colour Picture Style options ain't bad, so it's good to see Canon's latest approach to colour configuration make it into the 30D.
There are also three user-defined settings, which can be derived from one of the included presets, or new Picture Style files can be loaded into these settings in the camera (Canon has three such files - Nostalgia, Clear and Twilight - available for download. It's not possible for the end user to create Picture Styles for the 30D or any other Canon digital SLR.
But the photographer that will gain the most from the move to Picture Styles in the transition from the 20D to the 30D is the JPEG shooter. That's because a by-product of the move to Picture Styles is the long-overdue option of disabling in-camera sharpening. A 20D RAW CR2 processed through Canon's DPP software can be impressively detailed; shoot the same pic on JPEG and the combination of mild softening that occurs during in-camera processing and a so-so sharpening algorithm add up to a JPEG that doesn't contain nearly the level of detail captured by the camera.
We fully expect that an unsharpened JPEG emerging from a 30D, when properly sharpened in Photoshop, will be noticeably more detailed than a 20D JPEG (though the CR2+DPP route will almost certainly still lead to the most detailed file possible from an all-Canon workflow). Canon's midrange and entry-level digital SLRs, right back to the similarly-named D30, have always forced some amount of ho-hum quality JPEG sharpening; it's great to see that, with the 30D, Canon has dispensed with this detail-harming restriction.
Burst depth has more depth The 20D's JPEG burst depth hasn't tripped us up. While officially it's 23 frames for Large Fine, in practice it's anywhere from about 20 frames to well over 40, which for a 5 fps camera means a fair bit of shooting time. Switch to RAW or RAW+JPEG, however, and that camera's 6 frame hard limit has meant missed pictures when we've attempted to shoot action on either of these settings. In fact we learned early on with the 20D to just not dial in CR2 when we anticipate any sort of burst shooting. The 30D doesn't contain additional buffer memory, but through some clever reworking of how image data is juggled from the sensor through to the CompactFlash card, the burst depth has been increased to 30 Large Fine JPEG, 11 RAW and 9 RAW+JPEG. As with the 20D, the JPEG burst depth is an approximation, whereas the RAW and RAW+JPEG numbers are hard limits (or at least they represent how a preproduction 30D body behaved in our testing when set to 5 fps).
The jump from 6 to 11 CR2 files in succession should make capturing RAW nearly viable for what we shoot, so this is a most welcome change. But we would have liked to see Canon load up the camera with more RAM still, thereby ensuring a large enough RAW buffer that we wouldn't have to worry about burst depth at all.
Canon EOS 30D - rear view (Photo courtesy Canon)
ISO can be set in the viewfinder The first time we shot a concert in available light with a digital camera we appreciated how necessary it is to be able to change ISO quickly as light levels shift from bright to non-existent. The 20D requires that you pull your eye away from the viewfinder to change the ISO; in the 30D, when holding down the ISO button, the ISO displays in the information beneath the viewfinder and updates as the Quick Control Dial is turned. This will make the changing of ISO on the fly a much-quicker operation.
ISO is incremented in 1/3 stops From ISO 100-1600, intervals are now in 1/3 stops. ISO 3200 is also selectable (when C.Fn-8-1 is set), but it's a full stop jump from ISO 1600, there are no increments in-between. Of all the Canon and Nikon digital SLRs we've ever used, the 20D produces the cleanest, most printable RAW and JPEG files at the upper ISO settings. Being able to choose settings such as ISO 1000 or 1250 when shooting at certain indoor venues only sweetens the deal, though ISO 2000 and 2500 would have been equally useful.
Automatic long exposure noise reduction With the new Auto option selected in C.Fn-4, the 30D will analyse the level of noise in exposures between 1 and 30 seconds and apply long exposure noise reduction only if it deems it would be beneficial to the picture. And unlike the 20D, the 30D doesn't force the photographer to wait an amount of time equal to the exposure time while it applies long exposure noise reduction. This is a great feature of 1-series Canon's, the 5D and now the 30D when shooting time exposures of events that unfold continuously, such as fireworks.
9999 photos per folder Another longstanding quirk of Canon's entry-level and midrange digital SLRs falls by the wayside in the 30D. Now, instead of the camera automatically creating a new folder every 100 frames, each folder can contain up to 9999 frames, the same as 1-series digital SLR models and the 5D. Choosing the manual reset option in the 30D creates a new folder, with file numbering starting at 0001 in that folder. User-customizable file names, an option in the EOS-1D Mark II N, as well as the manual folder selection function of several other Canon models, didn't make their way into the 30D.
More frames per charge Improved power management has increased the official frames-per-charge specification by 10% compared to the 20D, despite the fact the 30D's larger rear LCD is more power-hungry. The battery indicator is now the same as the 5D, and is stepped in four increments from fully-charged to depleted.
Spot metering The 20D has three ambient metering modes: Evaluative, Center-Weighted and 9% Partial. The 30D incorporates these three and adds one more: 3.5% Spot. The metering circle marking in the viewfinder has been shrunk, relative to the 20D, to properly represent the measurement area of the 30D's spot meter.
Refined multicontroller The 9-way multicontroller Canon introduced to its digital SLR lineup with the 20D is an interesting approach to the modern problem of providing a fast, easy way to manually change the active AF point when the autofocus system has more than about 5 points. We mostly like the multicontroller on the 20D, because its size and feel does make changing to an AF point that's up, down, left or right of centre a quick operation, even when wearing light gloves. But selecting an AF point on the diagonal is too hard, and it's also sometimes difficult to press the centre of the multicontroller to return the selected AF point to the middle. The 30D's multicontroller has been slightly reshaped, and the firmware that controls it has been altered, to address these operational concerns.
Canon EOS 30D - top view (Photo courtesy Canon)
And more... Other 30D refinements include:
A drop in the camera startup time from a hardly noticeable 0.2 seconds to a nearly imperceptible 0.15 seconds.
User-selectable 5 fps (High-Speed Continuous) and 3 fps (Low-Speed Continuous) shooting modes. When set to High-Speed Continuous, an H appears next to the continuous shooting icon on the top LCD display. The 20D, by comparison, has a single shooting mode that operates at up to 5 fps.
Though the 9-point autofocus system and all aspects of its configuration and operation are the same as that of the 20D, the algorithm controlling autofocus in the 30D has been refined (though Canon has not revealed what has been addressed). The 20D's autofocus system is the most capable we've ever encountered in a midrange digital SLR; if you want better, you have to spend a lot more. We hope that Canon's tinkering with autofocus in the 30D only makes it a better performer than the already-capable 20D. Strangely, while many of the refinements in the 30D first appeared in the 5D last fall, the 30D did not get the 5D's 6 additional Assist AF points clustered around the centre.
Viewfinder information now includes a dedicated Flash Exposure Lock (FEL) indicator. The frames remaining counter is still a single digit, which means it will read "9" almost perpetually when shooting JPEGs, just like the 20D.
Camera error codes are now displayed on both the top LCD display and on the rear LCD monitor, with more information on what each error code means as well.
PictBridge direct printing options have been expanded to include contact sheet printing, complete with file names, a 35mm film strip graphic along each of the 5 rows of 7 thumbnails and a 24mm x 36mm size for those thumbnails. The goal being to approximate the look of a traditional 35mm film contact sheet. There are two other new layouts - one with 20 thumbnails and up to 11 fields of EXIF data per thumbnail, and another that is comprised of a single image and EXIF data. There is also a Face Brightener option, plus new 4 x 8 inch, 8 x 10 inch and 10 x 12 inch print sizes. All of these new features come to life only when the camera is connected to a newer Canon PIXMA-series printer. The new Print/Share button on the back of the camera can also be used to initiate picture transfers over USB 2.0 to a computer.
DPP 2.1 headlines 30D software bundle
New versions of Canon software will be bundled with the camera. The software etched onto EOS Solution Disk 12 will include:
DPP 2.1 (Windows and Mac). In addition to being able to convert CR2 files from the 30D, v2.1 of Canon's flagship RAW conversion software adds user-configurable noise reduction in the Edit Image window, enhanced single image and contact sheet printing and a Tone Curve Assist function that automatically adjusts the tone on poorly-exposed photos. Also, in what will be a pleasant surprise for veteran Canon digital shooters, DPP 2.1 will be able to process RAW files from the EOS D2000 and EOS D6000 (after these cameras' RAW .TIFs have been converted to CR2s with an included utility). The D2000 and Japanese market-only D6000, which were introduced in 1998, are the last digital SLRs Canon co-developed with Kodak before going their own way with the D30 two years later. DPP 2.1 isn't expected to be able to process files from the twins of the D2000 and D6000, the Kodak DCS 520 and DCS 560, or the Nikon-bodied equivalents, the DCS 620 and DCS 660. It's also not known whether this version of DPP will be a Universal Binary on the Mac, though the timing of its release makes it unlikely.
EOS Utility 1.0 (Windows and Mac). No, not EOS Viewer Utility, but EOS Utility, a new application emerging into the EOS digital SLR line with the 30D. EOS Utility integrates the functions of EOS Capture and CameraWindow, plus adds a few twists of its own. A Canon technical document describes the new software this way: "It is the gateway that allows users to download images to a computer, adjust camera settings, shoot photos remotely, monitor folders when the WFT-E1A wireless transmitter is used and even see images as they are shot. It supports automatic image transfer using the Print/Share button on the EOS 30D, as well as selectable linked display in Digital Photo Professional and ZoomBrowser/ImageBrowser."
ZoomBrowser EX 5.6 (Windows)/ImageBrowser 5.6 (Mac). The main or only change is support for the 30D, including the processing of its RAW files through companion software RAW Image Task 2.3.
Easy-PhotoPrint Pro (Windows and Mac). This software for driving Canon printers enables printing of RAW files without first converting them and also can transfer data directly to a supported printer at more than the 8-bits-per-colour limit of today's Mac and Windows operating systems.
PhotoStitch 3.1 (Windows and Mac)
PTP WIA Driver/PTP TWAIN Driver (Windows)
Updaters for earlier versions of these applications will be posted for current Canon digital SLR owners on Canon's download sites, though a date for that has not been set.
What's Missing?
We like the 20D. A lot. Not because it's the ultimate digital SLR but because its strengths have been well-matched to our shooting needs. So, a 30D that builds on the capabilities of its predecessor does generate a measure of excitement around the Little Guy Media offices here. But we think that Canon could have thrown in a bit more in its replacement for the 1.5-year-old 20D, features that would add real benefit without seriously inflating the price. A greater increase in RAW and RAW+JPEG burst depth, a larger viewfinder image and quicker access to mirror lockup would have been welcome, as would enhancements to the use of Canon Speedlites. Speedlite-related changes we would have liked to see include the ability to set E-TTL II flash metering to Evaluative always (this is a critical advancement required by those who choose to always use AI Servo combined with rear-button focus). Plus, the functions of the ST-E2 wireless flash transmitter built into the camera itself would be fantastic.
The ability to configure and fire multiple Speedlights is one of the niftiest capabilities of the Nikon D200. And in fact, given the likelihood that prospective purchasers of a midrange digital SLR, at least those not locked into a system already, will be directly comparing Nikon's latest digital SLR to the 30D, we wonder if Canon has done enough in refreshing the 20D to counter the siren call of the D200.
Don't take this as a recommendation of the D200 over the 30D. For one, we've only used a preproduction 30D, and then only briefly. More importantly, we've shot the D200 and 20D side-by-side for available light basketball over several weekends this winter, and the 20D is by far the better camera for this purpose. Not only were the ISO 800 through ISO 3200 frames massively cleaner and more usable, the percentage of in-focus frames was signficantly higher. In fact, we've ruled out using the D200 for this sort of assigment again. So, we don't think Nikon has in the D200 a camera that's a clear winner over the upcoming 30D by any means.
But, the D200's higher pixel count, greater burst depth, way-cool wireless flash system support, large viewfinder image, more expansive configuration options, reasonably smooth shutter and really quite nice feel in the hand may make it a more compelling offering to those comparing the two at their local camera store, despite the fact the Nikon will be a few hundred dollars more. For much of what we shoot, the 20D is a better choice than the D200, so it's likely the 30D will be as well. But for many shooters, those who can stick to lower ISO settings and don't shoot much action, the D200 may seem like the more appealing option.
The 30D is almost certainly going to be a fine camera in its own right, but it doesn't leapfrog the specifications of the competition in the way we've become accustomed from the supercharged Canon of recent times. It will be interesting to see how it fares against Nikon's hot-selling D200 as a result.
Availability
The 30D is slated to ship in mid-March 2006 in the U.S. at an expected street price of US$1399. The 20D will continue to be sold for some time after the introduction of the 30D, in the U.S. and perhaps other markets also.
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ეს დღე შეგიძლიათ დაიმახსოვროთ როგორც ნიკონის დომინირება მედიუმ რეინჯ მარკეტზე!!
ვაი ამატ პატრონს უბედურს ვის ატყუებენ?
ააა და გილოცავთ ახალ 85მმ 1.2 ის! მაგ ლინზის და 5D ის გამო კიდე ვაღიარებ ქენონს როგორც ფოტო კომპანიას
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ოლიმპუსმა პანასონიკი ჩაითრია და 4/3 ზე გადადის თავისი ლაიკიანათ
Olympus and Panasonic Announce Four Thirds System Digital SLR Cameras
Olympus Corporation (Olympus) and Matsushita Electric Industrial Co., Ltd. (Panasonic) have been engaged in joint development of cameras that comply with the Four Thirds System standard for interchangeable-lens-type digital SLR cameras, and will display the fruit of their labors at the PMA 2006 International Convention and Trade Show that starts today, February 26, in Orlando, Florida. Olympus will exhibit the E-330, a recently introduced product that incorporates jointly developed technologies, and Panasonic will announce development of the DMC-L1, its first digital SLR camera. A prototype of the DMC-L1 will also be exhibited.
The two cameras are the result of an agreement announced on January 13, 2005, under which Olympus and Panasonic agreed to jointly develop underlying technologies and key components, and promote the introduction of digital SLR camera products that take full advantage of the significant user benefits offered by the Four Thirds System standard.
The jointly developed mirror box unit and Live MOS sensor used in the two new cameras have significant implications for SLR performance, and have made it possible to develop products with capabilities that go far beyond digital SLR cameras of the past.
The mirror box unit integrates a quick-return mirror, viewfinder, and AE sensor, and effectively functions as the heart of the SLR camera. It was specifically designed and developed so that it could be used in both Olympus and Panasonic products.
The Live MOS sensor is a new-generation sensor that offers the high image quality of a CCD sensor and the low power consumption of a CMOS sensor, thereby making it possible to display Live View images on a digital SLR camera for an extended period of time. In addition, because the sensor features simplified circuitry, the distance from the microlenses to the photodiodes is short, ensuring improved response and higher image quality when light strikes the sensor at an angle.
Utilizing these advanced new devices, Olympus and Panasonic will continue to develop products according to their respective product strategies.
Olympus has already utilized these jointly developed components in the recently introduced E-330, which is the first interchangeable-lens-type digital SLR in the world to offer full-time Live View framing via a rear-mounted LCD monitor — a feat that until now was thought to be difficult to achieve. With its Live View capability, the E-330 is an epoch-making product that makes it possible for users to enjoy an entirely new style of digital SLR shooting.
As its first digital SLR camera, Panasonic has developed the DMC-L1, which combines the operating feel of an analog camera with Live View shooting and other ease-of-use features that are unique to digital cameras. By using the Live MOS sensor and proprietary Venus Engine III image-processing LSI, Panasonic has maximized the performance potential of both devices and successfully achieved the high image quality and high processing speeds that are critical to SLR camera performance. Following additional development efforts, Panasonic plans to introduce the DMC-L1 later this year.
By teaming Olympus's industry-leading SLR camera technology with Panasonic’s advanced digital AV technology to offer Four Thirds System digital SLR cameras and a wide lens lineup, the two companies plan to offer camera enthusiasts a level of creativity and satisfaction have never experienced before.
For reference, market size forecasts for digital SLR cameras are shown below. (Source: CIPA; 2005 results and 2006~2008 forecasts for number of units shipped by manufacturers)
2005 (actual) 2006 (forecast) 2007 (forecast) 2008 (forecast)
3.79 million units 4.68 million units 5.26 million units 5.62 million units
About the Four Thirds System Standard
The Four Thirds System standard defines design and development standards for digital SLR camera systems that fully realize the performance potential of digital imaging technology. Four Thirds System cameras use a 4/3-type image sensor that makes it possible to achieve the high image quality and high mobility demanded of SLR camera systems. In addition, the Four Thirds System defines an open standard for lenses and lens mounts that assures compatibility between bodies and lenses produced by various manufacturers participating in the standard.
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ვახ რა ლამაზი რამე გაუკეთებიათ.....
Olympus and Panasonic Announce Four Thirds System Digital SLR Cameras
Olympus Corporation (Olympus) and Matsushita Electric Industrial Co., Ltd. (Panasonic) have been engaged in joint development of cameras that comply with the Four Thirds System standard for interchangeable-lens-type digital SLR cameras, and will display the fruit of their labors at the PMA 2006 International Convention and Trade Show that starts today, February 26, in Orlando, Florida. Olympus will exhibit the E-330, a recently introduced product that incorporates jointly developed technologies, and Panasonic will announce development of the DMC-L1, its first digital SLR camera. A prototype of the DMC-L1 will also be exhibited.
The two cameras are the result of an agreement announced on January 13, 2005, under which Olympus and Panasonic agreed to jointly develop underlying technologies and key components, and promote the introduction of digital SLR camera products that take full advantage of the significant user benefits offered by the Four Thirds System standard.
The jointly developed mirror box unit and Live MOS sensor used in the two new cameras have significant implications for SLR performance, and have made it possible to develop products with capabilities that go far beyond digital SLR cameras of the past.
The mirror box unit integrates a quick-return mirror, viewfinder, and AE sensor, and effectively functions as the heart of the SLR camera. It was specifically designed and developed so that it could be used in both Olympus and Panasonic products.
The Live MOS sensor is a new-generation sensor that offers the high image quality of a CCD sensor and the low power consumption of a CMOS sensor, thereby making it possible to display Live View images on a digital SLR camera for an extended period of time. In addition, because the sensor features simplified circuitry, the distance from the microlenses to the photodiodes is short, ensuring improved response and higher image quality when light strikes the sensor at an angle.
Utilizing these advanced new devices, Olympus and Panasonic will continue to develop products according to their respective product strategies.
Olympus has already utilized these jointly developed components in the recently introduced E-330, which is the first interchangeable-lens-type digital SLR in the world to offer full-time Live View framing via a rear-mounted LCD monitor — a feat that until now was thought to be difficult to achieve. With its Live View capability, the E-330 is an epoch-making product that makes it possible for users to enjoy an entirely new style of digital SLR shooting.
As its first digital SLR camera, Panasonic has developed the DMC-L1, which combines the operating feel of an analog camera with Live View shooting and other ease-of-use features that are unique to digital cameras. By using the Live MOS sensor and proprietary Venus Engine III image-processing LSI, Panasonic has maximized the performance potential of both devices and successfully achieved the high image quality and high processing speeds that are critical to SLR camera performance. Following additional development efforts, Panasonic plans to introduce the DMC-L1 later this year.
By teaming Olympus's industry-leading SLR camera technology with Panasonic’s advanced digital AV technology to offer Four Thirds System digital SLR cameras and a wide lens lineup, the two companies plan to offer camera enthusiasts a level of creativity and satisfaction have never experienced before.
For reference, market size forecasts for digital SLR cameras are shown below. (Source: CIPA; 2005 results and 2006~2008 forecasts for number of units shipped by manufacturers)
2005 (actual) 2006 (forecast) 2007 (forecast) 2008 (forecast)
3.79 million units 4.68 million units 5.26 million units 5.62 million units
About the Four Thirds System Standard
The Four Thirds System standard defines design and development standards for digital SLR camera systems that fully realize the performance potential of digital imaging technology. Four Thirds System cameras use a 4/3-type image sensor that makes it possible to achieve the high image quality and high mobility demanded of SLR camera systems. In addition, the Four Thirds System defines an open standard for lenses and lens mounts that assures compatibility between bodies and lenses produced by various manufacturers participating in the standard.
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აგერ იგივე ხარეკტირისტიკები აქვს რაც ოლის მარა ბევრად ტონკად გამოიყურება თან ოპტიკაა ლაიკა
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ვახ რა ლამაზი რამე გაუკეთებიათ.....
ვენიკ, ბაიონეტი ოლის ექნება ალბათ, არა? მა ჩემი ლაიცები არ წავა რამე რო იყოს?
არა საწმუხაროდ, 4/3 ია იმენა მარა ძალიან ლამაზი ვინმეე ვაახ.. ეტყობა გერმანიაში გააკეთეს დიზაინი
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რამდენ პროცენტს აიღებს ოლი როგორ მაინტერესებს იმიტო რო არამგონია 330 ვინმემ იყიდოს პანასონიკის ნახვის მერე ალბათ ლინზები ექნება ოლიმპუს იაფი და მაგით მოიგებენ....
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ეეე თან ლაიკას ოპტიკული იმეჯ სტაბილიზაცია აქვს...... სტრანო....
მარა ძალიან ლამაზი ვინმეე ვაახ.. ეტყობა გერმანიაში გააკეთეს დიზაინი Added @ [mergetime]1140968753[/mergetime]
რამდენ პროცენტს აიღებს ოლი როგორ მაინტერესებს იმიტო რო არამგონია 330 ვინმემ იყიდოს პანასონიკის ნახვის მერე
ალბათ ლინზები ექნება ოლიმპუს იაფი და მაგით მოიგებენ....Added @ [mergetime]1140969193[/mergetime]
ეეე თან ლაიკას ოპტიკული იმეჯ სტაბილიზაცია აქვს...... სტრანო....
nachkebia,
შენა და 4/3 როა ამიტომ სპეც.ლინზები სჭირდება? მაგარი ქლიავობაა პანასონიკის მხრიდან მაშინ მთელი ეგ ამბავი
შენა და 4/3 როა ამიტომ სპეც.ლინზები სჭირდება? მაგარი ქლიავობაა პანასონიკის მხრიდან მაშინ მთელი ეგ ამბავი
პანასონიკი რა შუაშია? ოლიმპუსის დაწყებულია ეგ გაუგებრობა ხო მა მატრიცები აქვთ 2X კროპ ფაკტორით მარა ბოდი მაგრა გამისწორდა! სუპერ დიზაინია
ხო მა მატრიცები აქვთ 2X კროპ ფაკტორით მარა ბოდი მაგრა გამისწორდა! სუპერ დიზაინია
კრასოტა პრიამო... ამის დაჭერა ხელში სიამოვნებააა
ვთქვი მე რაღაც მამაძაღლობას ჩაიდენს ოლინკა თქვა და ა შედეგიც
მაცუსიტა დენკი ნიხაურზე არ წამოეგება. ოლის ლინზები კიდე ძვირია
სამაგიეროთ ახალ პროფი ბოდის გლიჯავს და შირიკებს მიაბნევს ზედ ლაიკისას
პანასი კიდე ოლის ლინზებს იხმარს ასე რომ რაც მაიტანიმ დაიწყო ის დასრულდა აკანჩატელნო. მ1 რო გამოვიდა მაშინ უნდა გაერთიანებულიყვენ ოლი და ლაიკა, მაშინ ვერ მოხერხდა ახლა სახვეწარს გაუხდის ოლის. სულაც არ მიხარია.
ეეე ნიკონმა ინატრა ცაისი და ოლიმ პროსტა მუქთათ ითრია ლაიკა
ნახეთ სულ მალე ახალი პროფი ბოდი ექნება და 330 საერთოდ არაფერ შუაშია, მაგი ლოხებისთვის არის.
ძაან გული დამწყდება, მარა რას იზამ იაპონლებმა უკვე გაამზადეს ლაიკა დასაგლეჯად.
დაგლიჯავენ კიდევაც მაგათი....
მაცუსიტა დენკი ნიხაურზე არ წამოეგება. ოლის ლინზები კიდე ძვირია
სამაგიეროთ ახალ პროფი ბოდის გლიჯავს და შირიკებს მიაბნევს ზედ ლაიკისას
პანასი კიდე ოლის ლინზებს იხმარს ასე რომ რაც მაიტანიმ დაიწყო ის დასრულდა აკანჩატელნო. მ1 რო გამოვიდა მაშინ უნდა გაერთიანებულიყვენ ოლი და ლაიკა, მაშინ ვერ მოხერხდა ახლა სახვეწარს გაუხდის ოლის
. სულაც არ მიხარია.ეეე ნიკონმა ინატრა ცაისი და ოლიმ პროსტა მუქთათ ითრია ლაიკა
ნახეთ სულ მალე ახალი პროფი ბოდი ექნება და 330 საერთოდ არაფერ შუაშია, მაგი ლოხებისთვის არის.
ძაან გული დამწყდება, მარა რას იზამ იაპონლებმა უკვე გაამზადეს ლაიკა დასაგლეჯად.
დაგლიჯავენ კიდევაც მაგათი....
აბაა... არა არა მაგრა გამისწორდა ეს ახალი პანასონიკა... http://www.imaging-resource.com/EVENTS/PMA...MAS06VIDEO.HTML აგერ აქანე ვიდეო ნახეთ კტაწი თურმე ნიკონს არანაირი კავშირი არ ქონია ცაისის ლინზებთან ანუ ცაისმა ნიკონის და დამოუკიდებლად ქნა.. ლიცენზია ქონიათ F მოუნტზე 70იანებიადნ მოყოლებული
კტაწი თურმე ნიკონს არანაირი კავშირი არ ქონია ცაისის ლინზებთან ანუ ცაისმა ნიკონის და დამოუკიდებლად ქნა.. ლიცენზია ქონიათ F მოუნტზე 70იანებიადნ მოყოლებული
Raulito,
4/3 ვაბშე სხვა პესნიაა რა. ეს ლინზები მიდის ყველა 4/3 კამერაზე. ანუ ოლის ყველა ციფრულ ზერკალკაზე. ასევე მგონი სიგმასაც აქ ეგეთი ზერკალკა. ოლის 4/3 ლინზებიც Zuiko Digital-ები კიდე ამ პანასონიკზე წავა.
4/3 ვაბშე სხვა პესნიაა რა. ეს ლინზები მიდის ყველა 4/3 კამერაზე. ანუ ოლის ყველა ციფრულ ზერკალკაზე. ასევე მგონი სიგმასაც აქ ეგეთი ზერკალკა. ოლის 4/3 ლინზებიც Zuiko Digital-ები კიდე ამ პანასონიკზე წავა.
ახალი ის არის რო დაზუსტებულია ლაიკები რომელსაც ფოტო სტაბილიზაცია აქვს წავა ოლიზე.... და პირიკით მარა არამოგნია პირიკით ვინმეს უნდოდეს ეს ლაიკები ოლიმპუსის გაკეთებულია რაღა პორტუგალია და რაღაც სუნიანი იაპონია
ეს ლაიკები ოლიმპუსის გაკეთებულია რაღა პორტუგალია და რაღაც სუნიანი იაპონია
გეიგეთ სიმონ? დიჯიტალ ლაიკა M დაანონსდა PMA-ზე! 10 მეგა, ლაივ-ვიუ (ფოდიუსია და აბა რა?!), 1,3 კროპ-ფაქტორი და ... ბუტილკა რომა!
არააა!!!!!! მართლააა????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 ხო 1.3 რო იყო ვიცოდი!!!!!!!!!!!! ვა რა მაგარია!!!!
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ლინკი გაქვეეენ?
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ლინკი გაქვეეენ?
ხო, დიპრევიუზე ჩითავს თიზერი. წლის ბოლომდე გამოვუშვებთო ამბობენ.
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ცოტას დააგვიანებენ, იასნია, მარა მაინც ასწორებს. ნეტა რა ეღირება? :კბილების კაწკაწა სმაილიკი:
წლის ბოლომდე გამოვუშვებთო ამბობენ.Added @ [mergetime]1141042696[/mergetime]
ცოტას დააგვიანებენ, იასნია, მარა მაინც ასწორებს. ნეტა რა ეღირება? :კბილების კაწკაწა სმაილიკი:
და რა თქვეს არ იცი კროპ ფაკტორზე... დაჯე ლაიკის ლინზები ვერ ქაჩავსო კუთხეებსო ციფრაზეო... 1.3 კიდე ნეჩევო
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რა დი პრევიუზე? აბა? არავის არაფერი არ უთქვია... მანახე ტეაზერი... რაღაც აგერია შენა ან ძველ ნიუს ამბობ ადრე ამბობდნენ უნდა თქვანო წესითო....
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ამაზე ამბობ შე ბედოვლათო? http://www.dpreview.com/news/0512/05122801leicamdigital.asp
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Wednesday, 28 December 2005
ოლდ ნიუს.....
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რა დი პრევიუზე? აბა? არავის არაფერი არ უთქვია... მანახე ტეაზერი... რაღაც აგერია შენა ან ძველ ნიუს ამბობ
ადრე ამბობდნენ უნდა თქვანო წესითო....Added @ [mergetime]1141042892[/mergetime]
ამაზე ამბობ შე ბედოვლათო? http://www.dpreview.com/news/0512/05122801leicamdigital.asp
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Wednesday, 28 December 2005
ოლდ ნიუს.....
Raulito,
ვერაფერი ვერ ვნახე ეგეთი დპრევიუზე PMA-ზე ლაიკა მარტო 4/3 ობიექტივით არის წარმოდგენილი.
ვერაფერი ვერ ვნახე ეგეთი დპრევიუზე PMA-ზე ლაიკა მარტო 4/3 ობიექტივით არის წარმოდგენილი.
ეეე გაანებე თავი მაგ ბედოვლათს.... ტყვილად აგვაწიოკა.....
"ჭიჭიკია, გეიგე სიმონ? თურმე ბიჭიკია როიალს ყიდის 3 ლარად!"
"ტყვილი იქნეა მაგი!"
"ტყვილი კია, მარა ძმობას გაფიცებ, ხომაა იაფი, ა?!"
"ტყვილი იქნეა მაგი!"
"ტყვილი კია, მარა ძმობას გაფიცებ, ხომაა იაფი, ა?!"
უიიიი შე რა გითხარი შენ..... ფუუუიიი....
მეთქვი ვისიამოვნებ ეხლა პროდაკტ დიზაინით....
Raulito,
კაი ანეკდოტია, გამეცინა
))
დღეს ერთმა პატიოსანმა ფორუმელმა Canon F-1 ხომ არ გინდაო შემომიცურა... ეტყობა კარგი ფსიქოლოგიცაა, მარა ოჯახში რა ვთქვა?!.... ხოდა ეგრევე მეც გამახსენდა ერთი ანეკდოტი:
ნარკუშა სახლში შედის და ბებიას გაზეთს აწვდის:
- ბებო ნახე ერთი ლატარეაში რა ვქენითო
- შვილო აბა ეხლა მე უსათვალოდ რას დავინახავ, ბარემ შენ ნახეო...
კარგიო შვილიშვილმა და გაშალა გაზეთი:
- ეეეეჰჰჰ ბებო, ეს რა ბედი ბედიგვაქვსო - ამოიხვნეშა.
- რა იყო შვილოო,
- რაღა რა იყო... ტელევიზორი წაგვიგია ბებო, ტელევიზორიო....
კაი ანეკდოტია, გამეცინა
))დღეს ერთმა პატიოსანმა ფორუმელმა Canon F-1 ხომ არ გინდაო შემომიცურა... ეტყობა კარგი ფსიქოლოგიცაა, მარა ოჯახში რა ვთქვა?!.... ხოდა ეგრევე მეც გამახსენდა ერთი ანეკდოტი:
ნარკუშა სახლში შედის და ბებიას გაზეთს აწვდის:
- ბებო ნახე ერთი ლატარეაში რა ვქენითო
- შვილო აბა ეხლა მე უსათვალოდ რას დავინახავ, ბარემ შენ ნახეო...
კარგიო შვილიშვილმა და გაშალა გაზეთი:
- ეეეეჰჰჰ ბებო, ეს რა ბედი ბედიგვაქვსო - ამოიხვნეშა.
- რა იყო შვილოო,
- რაღა რა იყო... ტელევიზორი წაგვიგია ბებო, ტელევიზორიო....
ხუმრობა იქეთ იყოს და ახალი ჰასელბლადი გმოვიდა... და ნუ აოფტოპიკებთ! ანეკდოტები არა კინძმარაული არა არა კარგად ვიცინე
Hasselblad 503CWD digital camera. A fitting tribute to his dedication, innovation, and passion for photography.
http://www.hasselblad.se/Archive/documents...CWD_English.pdf
Camera body: Special design based on the 503 CW camera body
Lens: Planar CFE 2.8/80 mm
Sensor size: 16 Mpixels (4080 x 4080 pixels)
Sensor dimensions: 36.7 x 36.7 mm (Lens factor 1.5)
Single shot
16 bit colour
ISO 50, 100, 200 and 400
Longest shutter speed: 32 seconds
Image storage: CF card type II (write speed >20 MB/sec), New Imagebank external hard drive or tethered to Mac or PC
Color management: Hasselblad RGB: full dynamics and reproduction dynamics
Storage capacity: On average 45 images on a 1GB CF card and over 4000 images on a 100 GByte disk
Battery type: Sony™ InfoLithium L NP-F series
Capture rate: 35 captures per minute
Colour display: 2.2 inch OLED type, 24 bit colour
Histogram feedback
IR filter: Mounted on CCD sensor
Acoustic feedback
IAA - Instant Approval Architecture: Included, with Acoustic feed back and Metadata classification
File format: Lossless compressed Hasselblad 3F RAW
Software: FlexColor (included)
Macintosh: OSX. PC: NT, 2000, XP
Camera support: See data sheet for Hasselblad CFV digital back for details.
Host connection type: FireWire 800(IEEE1394b)
Battery capacity: Sony™ InfoLithium L, up to 8 hours of shooting capacity
Operating temperature: 0 - 45 °C / 32 - 113 °F
Dimensions: Complete camera w. 2,8/80 mm lens: 113 x 110 x 193 mm [W x H x D]
Weight: 1620 g (Excluding battery and CF card)
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და ორი ახალი დიგიტალ ბექი
The Hasselblad CF-39 line of digital backs feature the world’s largest sensor - 39 million pixels – in the most flexible digital camera back system on the market today.
და
The new Hasselblad CFH-39 digital back features an ultra-high resolution, 39 megapixel sensor and has been custom built to fit the design and functionality of the Hasselblad H2 camera and is completely compatible with the H system range of central shutter lenses.
ჰასსელს ფასი მიაწერე 
QUOTE
average 45 images on a 1GB CF card
ა კაცი!
ჰასელბლადი რა არის?
IKI,
: მრავალგზის უროს ჩარტყმის სმაილიკი :
: მრავალგზის უროს ჩარტყმის სმაილიკი :
Guja მადლობთ
ფასი 8000 დოლარა და 500 ბოდის გჩუქნიან ნუ ეგ 16 მეგა პიქსიანი....
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უფტო ტოჩნად
The Hasselblad 503CWD will be available from Hasselblad’s Digital Partners in March
at a list price of $12,995 and the Hasselblad CFV will similarly be available at a list
price of $9,995.
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უფტო ტოჩნად
The Hasselblad 503CWD will be available from Hasselblad’s Digital Partners in March
at a list price of $12,995 and the Hasselblad CFV will similarly be available at a list
price of $9,995.
nachkebia რის გადასაღებად იყენებენ Hasselblad -ს
ფეშიონი და პრო პორტრეტი....
ეს ნახეთ რა მაგარი კადრია... დაკმაყოფილებული ნიკონის მომხმარებელი ცალი თვალით ოლიმპუსის კლოუნებს უყურებს რა ქნეს ნეტა ამ უბედურებმაო ფიქრობს
nachkebia,
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ეს ნახეთ რა მაგარი კადრია... დაკმაყოფილებული ნიკონის მომხმარებელი ცალი თვალით ოლიმპუსის კლოუნებს უყურებს რა ქნეს ნეტა ამ უბედურებმაო ფიქრობს
წერს ცაისის ოფიციალური საიტი
The Sharpest SLR Lenses we've ever Tested
The new ZEISS ZF lenses went to test for resolving power recently. Attached to a Nikon F6, which was mounted on a Sachtler heavy duty tripod, we exposed our Eastman resolution test chart onto Kodak Imagelink HQ film. The best we had ever achieved before with any SLR lenses was 250 lp/mm.
The new Planar T* 1.4/85 ZF achieved that same resolution at f/5.6, and even down to f/2.
The new Planar T* 1,4/50 ZF went even further: It reached 320 lp/mm in the aperture range from f/5.6 to f/2.8, and 250 lp/mm at f/2.
The resolution test chart was placed in the center of the frame, and the negatives were inspected directly on a research microscope. No other process involving projection (through even the best enlarging lens) or digitizing (in today's best currently available scanners) is capable of transferring such high resolution values.
What we are saying is this: Carl Zeiss lenses are capable of capturing enormous amounts of information, if required, and will not be the limiting factor in the imaging process. Knowing that the lens you are using is the strongest link in the chain always inspires confidence, and may be critically important in some cases.
Prices for ZF-lenses Now Set (excl. VAT):
Planar T* 1.4/50 ZF: 499.00 EUR
Planar T* 1.4/85 ZF: 999.00 EUR
The lenses can be ordered on our website from April 1st, 2006.
http://www.zeiss.de/c12567a8003b58b9/Conte...1257118005d1d20
The Sharpest SLR Lenses we've ever Tested
The new ZEISS ZF lenses went to test for resolving power recently. Attached to a Nikon F6, which was mounted on a Sachtler heavy duty tripod, we exposed our Eastman resolution test chart onto Kodak Imagelink HQ film. The best we had ever achieved before with any SLR lenses was 250 lp/mm.
The new Planar T* 1.4/85 ZF achieved that same resolution at f/5.6, and even down to f/2.
The new Planar T* 1,4/50 ZF went even further: It reached 320 lp/mm in the aperture range from f/5.6 to f/2.8, and 250 lp/mm at f/2.
The resolution test chart was placed in the center of the frame, and the negatives were inspected directly on a research microscope. No other process involving projection (through even the best enlarging lens) or digitizing (in today's best currently available scanners) is capable of transferring such high resolution values.
What we are saying is this: Carl Zeiss lenses are capable of capturing enormous amounts of information, if required, and will not be the limiting factor in the imaging process. Knowing that the lens you are using is the strongest link in the chain always inspires confidence, and may be critically important in some cases.
Prices for ZF-lenses Now Set (excl. VAT):
Planar T* 1.4/50 ZF: 499.00 EUR
Planar T* 1.4/85 ZF: 999.00 EUR
The lenses can be ordered on our website from April 1st, 2006.
http://www.zeiss.de/c12567a8003b58b9/Conte...1257118005d1d20
აპლოდოსმენტები რო არ მესმის? 
nachkebia,
ესეიკი მაინც ყიდულობ კონტრასტების სიყვარულში......
ესეიკი მაინც ყიდულობ კონტრასტების სიყვარულში......
lp/mm კონტრასტი არ არის, რეზოლუციაა....
რო გამოთვალო ეგ რეზოლუცია მიახლოებით 350 მეგაპიქსელი გამოვა... ციფრა სასიოტ
nachkebia,
ნეტა როგორ გამოთვალე ეგეც დაგვიწერე რა? ბევრს კი წერენ რომ 1 lp/mm ფირზე არის 2 d/mm ციფრაზე მარა გადიდებისას ციფრას 200%-ზე უპრობლემოდ ადიდებ სამაგიეროდ. ასე რომ მე მაინც 88 მეგაპიქსელზე შევჩერდებოდი.
ნუ ლინზა რომ უძააააანმაგრესია მაგაზე ბაზარი არაა. და თან ფასი აქვს ძალიან დემოკრატიული.
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რო გამოთვალო ეგ რეზოლუცია მიახლოებით 350 მეგაპიქსელი გამოვა... ციფრა სასიოტ
ნეტა როგორ გამოთვალე ეგეც დაგვიწერე რა? ბევრს კი წერენ რომ 1 lp/mm ფირზე არის 2 d/mm ციფრაზე მარა გადიდებისას ციფრას 200%-ზე უპრობლემოდ ადიდებ სამაგიეროდ. ასე რომ მე მაინც 88 მეგაპიქსელზე შევჩერდებოდი.
ნუ ლინზა რომ უძააააანმაგრესია მაგაზე ბაზარი არაა. და თან ფასი აქვს ძალიან დემოკრატიული.
320 lpm = 640 pixels per millimeter (the 320 is black to white and back again, resolution needs both pixels), so the resolution in the center area of the image can record a FF file that is sized 640x36*640*24=353,9 megapixels.
This just testifies that film is not dead, 6 MP is not the best a film camera can make out of an 36x24 mm film (that is purely hype pro dSLRs). And dSLR sensor size will not be limited to 20 MP. No way. Now it is just the first time it makes sense to build even better lenses
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პროსტა პირველი აპრილი ბევრი მომიწევს ლოდინი
This just testifies that film is not dead, 6 MP is not the best a film camera can make out of an 36x24 mm film (that is purely hype pro dSLRs). And dSLR sensor size will not be limited to 20 MP. No way. Now it is just the first time it makes sense to build even better lenses
Added @ [mergetime]1141287955[/mergetime]
პროსტა პირველი აპრილი
ბევრი მომიწევს ლოდინი
nachkebia,
მარა მერე ნახე შენი D200 რას გაიხარებს.
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პროსტა პირველი აპრილი ბევრი მომიწევს ლოდინი
მარა მერე ნახე შენი D200 რას გაიხარებს.
აბაა... ისე ფაქტიურად გამოდის რო ეს ლინზები ყველაზე კარგი ფოტო ლინზებია რაც არსებობს საერთოდ რა ფორმატზეც გინდა
nachkebia,
რა ჯანდაბად გინდა 350 მეგაპიქსელი?
კორპუსზე უნდა გააკრა?
რა ჯანდაბად გინდა 350 მეგაპიქსელი?
კორპუსზე უნდა გააკრა?
e.k.a.t.e.r.i.n.a,
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რა ჯანდაბად გინდა 350 მეგაპიქსელი?
ასეთი განათლებული ფოტო ფორომუ არ ვიცი მე
nachkebia,
მართლა მაინტერესებს, მითხარიიიით, რა გაცინებთ?
მართლა მაინტერესებს, მითხარიიიით, რა გაცინებთ?
e.k.a.t.e.r.i.n.a,
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მართლა მაინტერესებს, მითხარიიიით, რა გაცინებთ?
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